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    21 Feb 2012 01:39 PM
    Am I wrong to have looked at that and thought of the Empire Knights the White Wolves? That would be such a cool cross-over unit.
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    21 Feb 2012 02:25 PM
    I'd still like to know what GW was thinking with TWC. I mean STR 5 with the ability to get Rending and T5 base and 4 attacks. Geez. Phil Kelly was definitely taking some mind altering drugs when he dreamed up that unit.
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    21 Feb 2012 02:27 PM
    Thw Nid stuff looks very cool, I knew when I saw the codex that the tyrano and Terv would be a combo box. I am disappointed that there is no Drop pod in the near future, as that is the hardest model to convert in the whole codex, oh well.

    It does look like I will need an oval base for the Tervigon.
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    21 Feb 2012 03:29 PM
    whats weird is they look like the conversions (mythicast/carni w/ 6 scythe legs)... new tyrant is nice, now that the swords/wings will be included. maybe they'll switch to a canri/harpy at some point.

    weird that they're re-releasing the red terror in resin when he hasn't had rules since 4e.
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    21 Feb 2012 03:38 PM
    Refresh my memory if you will...what is the policy on conversions/home made kits when the actual model gets released? For instance Jared has some awesome looking TWC but they aren't strictly GW models. Can he still use those in "official" tournament play?
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    21 Feb 2012 03:47 PM
    Why not?

    Eldar, Guard, and Marine players are able to play with conversions. Why wouldn't a Nid player? There's just that pesky % of the models used that have to be GW product. There will be some that require GW or scratchbuilt parts only, not product from other companies. That the one you're concerned with?
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    21 Feb 2012 03:54 PM
    Are you talking IFL play, or Tourns in general?

    IFL usually you can play with them.

    For Tourns it depend on the TO, I know GW sponsored events require 51% of the model be GW parts, this even goes for kits they don't even make. I ran into this at the last Ard Boys when I couldn't play with my scratch built Nid Drop pods, every annoying.
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    21 Feb 2012 04:05 PM
    I'm not talking for me specifically, I don't play SW or Nids, I was just curious in general. Like when Zack sees a J.Crew catalog.

    As far as IFL play is concerned I've seen people use Legos, so I'm not concerned about that. I was just curious about GT's, RTT's and stuff.
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    21 Feb 2012 06:07 PM
    it's 50%, so a mythicast wolf with a plastic marine on top is completely GW sanctioned tourney legal. of course, most US GTs care a lot less than GW as long as it's not ridiculous IFL brand proxy tech.
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    21 Feb 2012 07:19 PM
    GW sanctioned tournies (as well as playing in their stores) require 80% of the model to be Games Workshop based pieces. Jared's TWC are all resin save the space marines chest, arms and head. The Mythicast wolves are "not" GW legal, they won't even be legal if it was 50%. That being said it's only ruled that way for GW Sanctioned tournies, and they are required to state said rule in their tournament rules. An since getting GW to sanction an event now a days is harder then getting Congress to agree on a 2012 budget, people with models already don't have much to worry about.

    As for the look they appear more slender then the Mythicast models. They don't take up nearly as much room on the large disk as Mythicast Which means sadly the Mythicast look more WYSIWYG Toughness 5 then the GW models. Honestly from the model frame work I think the TWCs were orginally cast as Fenrisian and they just CAD them to a larger size to fit a marine.  Also waht is up with the teenie tiny snow saucer storm shields.  What are they going sledding after the battle?
      
    I like the Tervigon alot (one day 2-3 of them may grace my Nid army) the model designer defintely took some notes from the framework and support structure of the Bio-Titan Hierophant. I mean if you take off the sac of the Tervigon (aka..let it get married) you can see the slender arched back of a Hierophant. I imagine the Harpy model will also be used for Winged Tyrants as well.  Only complaint I have with the new Tyranid models is OMG their so Fing HUGE.  Good luck trying to get a cover save on those damn things
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    21 Feb 2012 07:40 PM
    Where did you hear the 80% rule from? As of the last Ard Boyz the rule was
    "Any conversions must begin as Citadel models and contain a majority of Citadel components."
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    21 Feb 2012 09:19 PM
    Back when I used to work for the company it was 80%. Now this was back in late 90s so it may have changed. But since GW likes to make money I wouldn't think they would reduce how much of their model was needed.
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    22 Feb 2012 02:54 PM
    It's 50.1 percent in the most recent tournaments. But as only Vegas is a "official" tournament, most don't care any more.
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    28 Feb 2012 03:08 PM
    Well the pre-orders are up. Am I the only one who thinks the bonesword and lashwip/bonesword bitz packs are way overpriced, especially considering that 3rd makers are selling them at a 1/3 of the price.
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    28 Feb 2012 03:48 PM

    most everything there is overpriced... especially the new wolf standard (the old one was $11 retail). I'm staying with my awesome mythicast wolves.

    The tyrant and i guess the new tervigon kit aren't awful (great tervigon conversions went for $70 or so on ebay pre-kit), and for whatever reason tyranids are gold (trust me, they always sell well/easily).  Too bad they haven't been good in forever, it's definitely the coolest model line imo.


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    28 Feb 2012 06:06 PM

    *puts on his fake GW Business Hat*

    Matt - "We are a model company, thus we must charge for our kits to keep our doors open"

    Aaron - "You know it's people like you that are destroying this industry. How can you expect model companies to keep up with the supply and demand when your producing negative reveanue with your 3rd party purchases and E-bay reshopping. You have to put money into our company if you wish us to keep producing these amazing models we work on......oohh and please don't forget. We are a model company"

    *on a bit more realistic ADD moment*

    I am having real strong pull in two different directions.  On one hand these new bug models really call for me to pull out my Euro Hornet Tyranids and ressurect them.  Cause I do love me some massive Monstorous creatures.  On the other hand the release of these models means the Necron 2nd wave (and the Nightscythes I want/need) won't be coming out for another 2-4 months.  An that irritates me enough to say FUCK GW I'm done with this game.  I am tired of waiting for GW and their half ass release schedule.

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    28 Feb 2012 07:17 PM
    Hence the need for our own modeling skills and 3rd party companies! I'm a believer in capatilism. I say if GW doesn't make a model or is way overpriced for something meh, then I'll buy from 3rd party. (or make it myself).
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    28 Feb 2012 08:16 PM
    My problem is that I have zero point of reference for size, scale and base, and lets face it. Anything home brewed will get hairy eyeballs and "that's cheating" thrown on it like shit on a fan in a government office.

    So even if I cobble together a hardfoam nightscythe I run into two problems. A. Looks horrid compared to the rest of the army. B. If I put it on a hover base like a Eldar Falcon people call cheese when GW releases a model and it's on the new fly stand. On the new fly stand and GW released a skimmer based model that's where I could have manuevered for cover and didn't.
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    29 Feb 2012 12:37 PM
    first, I have no idea why they didn't releasae a scythe kit, since it's kind of important to the army (unlike the stalker, which is a whole lot of meh), BUT there aren't any wraiths or tomb spyders out right now either, which is also stupid, since wraith spam/night fight is winning a LOT of games.

    there's a good looking conversion, but it seems awfully small for a transport (destroyer + barge wings):
    http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.n...p?p=168199

    I assume it'll be a flying base thing that's a bit wider than a falcon.

    and yeah, I can be cheap. The only stuff i've gotten from GW is from store credit for trade ins I bought at 35-40% off retail... The GW wolves don't look at good as the mythicast AND that'd be $180 to buy something I already have. doesn't make much sense to me Though If they had the models back when I got my SW stuff I probaby would have gone that way - their loss.
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